MCC Democracy Forum: 'Tea Party Out of Steam'

Middlesex County College's "Democracy House" hosted a wide-ranging Oct. 11 forum on the 2012 election, featuring Rutgers professor Ross Baker and Star-Ledger columnist Tom Moran.

Some of the caffeine is out of the Tea Party. At least according to Rutgers University professor Ross Baker.

Baker addressed a room of Middlesex County College students on Thursday during "You Decide -- The Presidential Election: What we know and what we think we know," an open forum discussing the November election.

He was joined by Star-Ledger columnist Tom Moran.

Baker said the role of the tea party has been greatly diminished in comparison to the 2008 election, and the conservative group has lost some of their steam.

Baker addressed some historical trends in presidential elections, notably that in times of economic distress, it has been historically difficult for a president to successfully win a second term.

In 1976, Gerald Ford was gunning for a second term amid a 7.5 unemployment rate nationwide, and was defeated. Four years later, the same thing happened to the man who defeated him, Jimmy Carter, who ran for a second term with a 7.7 percent unemployment rate in the country, Baker said.

And in 1992, George H. Bush's unsuccessful re-election campaign was set against a 7.5 percent unemployment rate.

The current unemployment rate is around 8 percent, Baker said.

Despite the gravity of the economic state, other aspects go into elections, such as the likability of each candidate, and feeling of the American people as to the direction in which the country is headed.

During the forum, hosted by the college's Democracy House organization, Moran handled the majority of questions regarding the current issues of this election, while Baker provided much historical information and context. 

Moran urged the students to get educated on a ballot question that if passed in New Jersey, would allot $750 million to higher education institutions in New Jersey, including community colleges.

That money would ultimately lower student tuition, he said, making the urgency to vote a "no-brainer" for students this year.

Moran referred to the question as "bags of money" waiting for the students, and urged them to visit the voter registration table in the rear of the room.

"This bond issue for higher education is very important," he said.

Participants asked questions about "Obamacare," the Bush tax cuts, Iran and Israel and swing states, with the liveliest discussion centering around health care reform.

Baker said that one of the faults of the health care act was that Washington had no idea how to sell it to the American people, a fact they realized too late.

"That reassurance just wasn't there," he said.

Student Anatoly Doubrovny, 21, who has worked in manufacturing as a machinist apprentice asked the question of whether the government should still subsidize those companies, and if that job field is still important.

After the discussion, Doubrovny, of East Brunswick, said there isn't much discussion in politics about that job field, one that in past decades, was considered a strong American industry.

A lot of machinists tend to vote Republican, as they are small business owners, he said. But he wasn't particularly impressed with either Mitt Romney or Barack Obama, Doubrovny said. 

Baker said that the thing that young college students ages 17-19 need to realize is that they are recognized as non-participants in the political arena, which is why federal funding for students is largely inconsistent.

Politicians are "terrified" of senior citizens, because they vote in droves, Baker said.

"Your claim on any of the benefits (available) are impaired by the fact that you don't vote," he said.

For more information on Democracy House at Middlesex County College, click here.

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Al McDorman October 14, 2012 at 12:28 PM
Good point made. In a very practical sense, "those who do not vote do not exist". I vote, therefore, I am. Those who neglect their rights should be reminded that they simply don't matter.
AgEnders NJ October 14, 2012 at 06:01 PM
Those who do not vote are neglecting an important part of their civic duty and the political process. That being said, everything this prof said about the tea party and the upcoming ballot question is false. Clue: The Tea Party came into being in 2009, no earlier. But please, keep circulating the story that the tea party is dead; it makes our job so much easier when we can adopt a stealth approach. And the ballot question will do nothing, even "eventually", to lower students' college costs -- but it will help pay this professor's salary and retirement which he conveniently doesn't mention. New Jersey already pays more than anyone in the entire nation for education -- and the US pays more than any other nation for education -- thus we have the dubious honor of paying MORE than anyone else in the world, and getting less education value per dollar. Rather than throwing more money at the problem let's reallocate more wisely what we are already paying -- more than anyone else in the world -- and not mortgage our future on vaporous promises to "eventually" realize some benefit. Really, this ballot question is exactly the kind of boondoggle we New Jerseyans should turn down routinely. We don't need more debt; we already owe more per family on NJ state debt than we do on our own mortgages. Instead of debt, stop building huge unnecessary expensive buildings (and buying golf courses) like Stockton did. Let's use our heads and consider the total costs, not vague promises.
NJCathie October 14, 2012 at 06:57 PM
I guess that's way Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and President Obama keep referring to the Tea Party every time they want to apply some blame in our country. Liberal educators should be taken with a grain of salt.
Gary Charwin October 14, 2012 at 07:04 PM
To paraphrase Mark Twain, "The rumors of our death are greatly exaggerated." I assume "Professor" Ross Baker is continuing with the time-honored academic tradition originally taught to Nazi Germany by the father of American progressive propaganda, Edward Louis Bernays: Just lie and lie and lie and lie...and eventually people will accept it as the truth. One other thing, Prof. Baker, did you and Joe Biden study this technique together back in 'the day?' He does it equally as well. Just asking.
So Sueme October 14, 2012 at 07:27 PM
Bravo! The Looney-Left has been predicting the demise of the Tea Party before most of us even knew where to look for a rally or town hall meeting. We've scaled back the rallies and democrats won't hold town hall meetings anymore, BUT we haven't gone anywhere! Witness the last mid-terms, the outcome of which will be repeated in November!
Gordo K October 14, 2012 at 07:40 PM
It will be a big mistake for anyone to count the Tea Party out. The sentiment is just as strong today as it was three years ago.
Ron Nash October 15, 2012 at 12:31 AM
Professor Baker said “ the role of the tea party has been greatly diminished in comparison to the 2008 election, and the conservative group has lost some of their steam.” Well since the Tea Party didn't get going until around April 15 2009, it is obvious the Professor has zero clue of what he is talking about. He is misinformed or uninformed and just knows so much that isn't true. Folks, guys like this are teaching (indoctrinating) your kids. What does this guy teach? Wishful Thinking and Propaganda 101? The role of College Professors has been greatly diminished in comparison to the “real” University of the past, and Big Education has lost most of their credibility.
BobDee October 15, 2012 at 01:00 AM
The Tea Party stands for personal responsibility, low taxes, individuality, freedom and liberty,,, these principals are what founded this country,, these principals will never lose there steam,,Professor Baker should crawl back behaind his chalk board or wherever it is he came out of.
NJCathie October 15, 2012 at 03:17 AM
To be clear, it stands for T axed E nough A lready. Just in case some professors didn't know that.
Donald MacLeay October 15, 2012 at 04:17 AM
Hey kids, did you know you don't need a teacher to learn? Just pick up a book and read it. This has been a public service message from the Tea Party.


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