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Red Light Cameras Causing Confusion

One Colonia resident can't figure out when the grace period on the Gill Lane red light camera began. He's got a point.

By now, most regular drivers through Woodbridge have probably noticed the signs for at least one of the posted at four intersections throughout township.

of the license plates of cars going through lights that have turned red, earning the owner of the vehicle a $140 ticket they get in the mail. 

Three of the red light sentinels are posted along Route 1 at Avenel Street, Green Street, and Gill Lane. According to the NJ Department of Transportation (DOT), there is a 30 day grace period after the cameras are given the go-ahead by the department, during which motorists who run a red light are given a warning in the mail, instead of the $140 ticket.

John J. White, a Colonia resident, had the misfortune of making a right from Gill Lane onto Route 1 on February 11. The camera at that intersection took the picture of his license plate, and eventually he got a ticket in the mail.

The ticket was a shock.

"I had no idea it was even there. I went to the town's website, thinking they have something about these red light cameras on their home page," White said. "I couldn't find anything."

But this isn't just a case of White not knowing that the red light cameras were installed at Gill Lane, a route he regularly uses. 

The question is about when the cameras became operational, and when the 30 day grace period began. Earlier this year, DOT said the township was given the green light to begin on January 16 and ending February 15.

After doing some research about Woodbridge's red light cameras, White thought he was safe when he saw the Patch article.

"I thought, well, that's in the grace period. So this should be a warning ticket, not a ticket with a fine," he said.

This is where the story - and the dates - gets sticky.

White called the township, who told him the 30 days' warning period for the Gill Lane red light camera was up January 16. 

White then made several Open Public Records Act (OPRA) requests from DOT to find out when the Gill Lane camera was activated. One OPRA document was a letter from American Traffic Solutions (ATS), the red light camera vendor who runs the program for Woodbridge.

In that letter to DOT, dated December 16, Charles Caliari of ATS wrote to confirm "the previous email approval" that DOT gave for the Gill Lane warning period to begin on December 17.

But in another OPRA email White received, Michael Moran, DOT Regional Engineer, gave Woodbridge Township his official approval - the final permit acceptance - on a letterhead dated December 20 that the Gill Lane red light camera installation was completed satisfactorily as of that date. That meant that the warning period should have begun December 20 and ended January 19.

So what gives with the different dates?

"This was a little different than the process we normally follow, but it's completely legit," said Joe Dee, DOT spokesman.

"From what I've been told, we were working with the vendor [ATS] on punch list items to make sure everything was just right. We were working with them for days, if not weeks, in a row. We were in constant contact with the vendor."

Because of that close contact, Dee said that ATS was told they were "good to go" to start the cameras, and thus the warning period.

"We said we'd be sending [ATS] a final permit acceptance and sending it to the town in the mail. [DOT said] let us know the day if you want to start the warning period before [the final permit acceptance], you are approved to do so," Dee said. 

"Your permit is virtually is in the mail."

The date discrepancy is yet again different than about the Gill Lane red camera light grace period: "Approval for the third intersection with red light cameras, at Route 1 and Gill Lane, was given by the DOT on January 16. The grace period at that intersection ends on February 15."

White finds it all frustrating, and like many other red light camera critics, he thinks it's less about safety and more about the .

"My daughter and I read the town's website. I never saw anything about red light cameras posted. No matter who you are or where it is, you should get a warning the first time. Say someone makes an error like I did, now I know. If I do it again, I deserve the ticket. But to catch you off guard, that's baloney," White said.

"How does the public to know? If they don't want to put that information out, it's shame on them. It's not about the money, it's about how many hundreds or thousands of people are in the same boat as me."

White intends to contest the $140 fine in court.

"That's the bottom line. It is really unfair."

Kelley April 27, 2012 at 12:14 pm
I thought right turn on red from Gill Lane onto Route 1 is allowed, as there is not a "No Turn on Red" sign on either side of that intersection...
ridiculous ness April 27, 2012 at 01:19 pm
Are you saying we should only run red lights where there arent cameras? Thats what it sounds like to me
Stephen April 27, 2012 at 01:31 pm
ATS is not doing RLC for "safety", they are in it for cash.
(Heck in one survey the vast majority of "violations" were RIGHT TURNS http://www.banthecams.org/attachments/1553_ATS%20Mukilteo%20survey.pdf, not dangerous RLR they keep blabbing that RLC are suppose to "stop". Funny part is the RLC DOESN'T STOP the CRASHES ANYHOW. SEE THIS PROPOGANDA PIECE of a RLV CRASH. NOTICE THE CRASH WASN'T STOP BY THE RLC! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkm2Dsi6t4k.) Most RLC tickets are for: 1. stopping on or just over the stop line. 2. non dangeorus right turns on red. 3. split second mistakes that longer ambers have been proven to stop like in Glassboro, NJ. http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/34/3418.asp FIGHT THE RLC FRAUD! Ban the CAMS! www.motorists.org www.banthecams.org and camerafraud on Facebook.
James C. Walker April 27, 2012 at 01:53 pm
There is no intention to improve safety with red light cameras. The intention is to improve the stream of revenue to the camera companies and their business-partner cities who contract the cameras for financial gain.
In virtually every case, using safer and longer yellow intervals will reduce violations by MORE than ticket cameras, and without the common result of actually raising the total accident rate that often happens with red light cameras. Cities that use cameras are callously willing to risk raising the accident rates in order to get the revenue they split between the city and the predatory camera vendor. If you care about safety and fairness, contact your state legislators to object to allowing the cameras for any reason. Contact your city officials to object to the use of the cameras for any reason. Vote out any officials who support the cameras and replace them with officials who favor safety over ticket revenue. See the science on our website. James C. Walker, National Motorists Association, www.motorists.org, Ann Arbor, MI
Susan Quinn April 27, 2012 at 02:23 pm
My problem is that the cars ahead of me stopped and although the light was green when I started through the intersection, it was red when I got through. Now I'm afraid I'll get a ticket in the mail.
SeanB April 27, 2012 at 03:31 pm
Follow the law and you won't have to worry about tickets or accidents. Just because you weren't aware that they were there, doesn't mean you shouldn't be held accountable when you BREAK THE LAW.
BillyJack April 27, 2012 at 04:09 pm
How about some responsibility on the driver for not stopping? If a cop was there and observed you not stop would the ticket be in question? Who checks the township web site to see if they can not obey basic traffic laws? Did I miss the part of the article where the guy states he did nothing wrong? The bottom line is, "Stop for a red signal and you won't get fined".
Janice B. April 27, 2012 at 08:44 pm
I won my Red Light Camera (RLC) case Monday April 23, 2012 with Edison Township. My ticket was dismissed because of my evidence. Edison is not following the RLC law as it is written. They did not do the 85th percentile study that was needed to be done on Rt. 1 at Plainfield Ave. Which means the timing of the yellow portion of the light is not long enough by at least one second. They also did not have the inspections and certifications they needed for the camera system and equipment from REDFLEX until I requested them in my OPRA request. The REDFLEX records keeper not the inspector of the RLC system certified each months inspections dated 7/2011 to 2/2012 on the same day 3/21/2012 that he saw them. Then the Edison townships engineer certified the email when he received it. The certifications were sent by email to the town engineer from REDFLEX Traffic Systems in Arizona. Who actual saw what the inspections said? Not the town engineer who certified them.
Janice B. April 27, 2012 at 08:55 pm
I have copies of all the certifications and a copy of Edison's application to the state to be in the Red Light Camera program. People who receive a ticket should plead not guilty and ask for the information I mentioned through the town clerk in an OPRA request. Edison knows that they are issuing tickets and not following the law themselves. Most likely all New Jersey Red Light Running cameras are not complying with the law. For more info on the law do a search online for NJDOT Red Light Running Automated Enforcement and Assembly Bill 4314.
http://www.state.nj.us/transportation/refdata/rlr/ This is the part they are not complying to - Signal Timing Certification (The paragraph below is the important information to ask the town for.) *A certification by the municipal engineer that (a) the intersection or intersections in question have a minimum duration of the amber light at the traffic control signal of 3 seconds if at least 85% of the vehicular traffic approaching the signal is traveling at a speed of 25 mph or less; and (b) for each five mile increase in the speed of vehicular traffic referred to in subparagraph (a) of this paragraph above 30 mph this minimum duration of the amber light shall be increased by ½ second. * This part of the law is most likely NOT being complied with by any town in the RED LIGHT CAMERA program throughout the state of New Jersey. You can also ask for the same information from the NJDOT.
Janice B. April 27, 2012 at 08:55 pm
In this case it seems it is not about safety or the study would have been done to increase the timing of the amber light and the camera system would be inspected and records would be on file at the township engineers office.
It is about the money.
Janice B. April 27, 2012 at 08:59 pm
Some towns may not be doing the following either, Edison Township was not - the law states - e. A traffic control signal monitoring system shall be inspected and certified at least once every six months by the municipal engineer from the date of its installation for the duration of the five-year pilot program.
As I said before from what I have learned, I believe almost ALL if not ALL of the Red Light Cameras throughout New Jersey are not following the Law as it is written. If you do not plead not guilty and contest your ticket this problem will never go away.
Janice B. April 27, 2012 at 09:28 pm
Edison was paid per ticket. They provide the Red Light Camera system, maintain and certify the system, generate the tickets and get paid per citation they issue. Does this seem improper? From the REDFLEX and Edison contract - contract awarded to Redflex Traffic Systems, 23751 N. 23rd Avenue, Phoenix AZ
85085; and WHEREAS, under the terms and conditions of the contract citations paid (average per system per month) will be as follows: 1. Tier 1 1-100 citations paid per month $38.00 2. Tier 2 101-150 citations paid per month $28.00 3. Tier 3 151+ citations paid per month $18.00 NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED by the Municipal Council of the Township of Edison, Middlesex County, New Jersey, that the appropriate Township Officials are hereby authorized to execute a contract with Redflex Traffic Systems for a period of three (3) years and optional renewal for year four and year five.
WoodbridgeFoodie April 27, 2012 at 09:56 pm
This article shouldn't be about the Grace Period. If someone runs a red light, and there is proof, I don't see a problem with issuing a ticket.
However, the problem with this case seems to be, "How can the township issue a ticket for turning right on red, when it is legal to do so"? I would think this ticket could be fought, unless there are signs stating "no right turn on red". I don't think the township could tell from a photograph whether this person came to a complete stop before turning right.
Me April 27, 2012 at 10:00 pm
There's nothing to figure out with this $cam. Legally, those revenue requests the $camera companies mail out are no more enforceable than those emailed requests from money you get from poor Nigerian princes. They certainly are not a summons to appear in any court. Just trash 'em and eventually they'll realize you're not stupid and leave you alone.
BillyJack April 27, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Janice,
Did you run the light?
Brian Ceccarelli April 28, 2012 at 04:16 pm
The reason why we run red lights is because the federal standards force us too. By misapplying physics, traffic engineers create systematic errors at all intersections which give us no choice but to run red lights. Read:
http://redlightrobber.com/red/links_pdf/Misapplied-Physics-Red-Light-Cameras-Abstract.pdf
Ted Pastuszak Jr. May 1, 2012 at 03:14 pm
Please advise if there is an up-to-date map showing all of the RLC in either Woodbridge or Middlesex County. I was surprised to see one in Hopelawn at the entrance of Wal-Mart because I just thought for now they were on Route 1.
Deborah Bell (Editor) May 1, 2012 at 03:41 pm
Woodbridge has four red light camera intersections: at Avenel St., Green St., and Gill Lane, all on Route 1, and the one by West Pond Rd. at Walmart. I talked to DOT; they said there are no new applications from Woodbridge for more red light cameras at the moment.
Janice B. May 1, 2012 at 08:10 pm
Red Light Camera locations - see link
https://midatlantic.aaa.com/PGA/~/media/3B61BFC486874C43B78456B9D9EF303B.ashx NJDOT-Approved Red Light Camera Intersections, by municipality Newark City Essex McCarter Highway and Market Street Broad Street and Murray Street (photo enforcement live) Mulberry Street and Market Street McCarter Highway and Lafayette Street Broad Street and Market Street (photo enforcement live) Raymond Blvd, Market St & Prospect St. Raymond Blvd. & Raymond Plaza West (photo enforcement live) McCarter Highway and Edison Place Broad Street and Raymond Boulevard (photo enforcement live) McCarter Highway and South Street City of Linden Union RT US 1&9 and South Stiles Street RT US 1&9 and South Park Avenue RT27 and North Stiles Street Roselle Park Borough Union RT 28 (Westfield Avenue) and Locust Street Wayne Township Passaic Paterson-Hamburg Tnpk & Black Oak Ridge Rd. Jersey City Hudson RT US 1&9 /Tonnele Ave Hoboken City Hudson Willow Avenue and 14th Street Township of Morris Morris Rt. 510/Columbia Road & Normandy Pkwy. Piscataway Township Middlesex Stelton Road and Centennial Avenue, Brunswick Avenue and Stelton Road, Centennial Avenue & Old New Brunswick, S. Randolphville Road & Centennial Ave, Ethel Road and Stelton Road, Stelton Road and Washington Avenue Lawrence Township Mercer RT 1/Baker's Basin Road/Franklin Corner Edison Township Middlesex RT 1 and Plainfield Avenue, RT 1 and Prince Street, RT 1 and Wooding Avenue.
Janice B. May 1, 2012 at 08:13 pm
NJDOT-Approved Red Light Camera Intersections, by municipality.doc, 01/26/2010
East Brunswick Township Middlesex RT 18 and Tices Lane City of New Brunswick Middlesex Easton Avenue (Co. Rt. 527) and Park Boulevard South Brunswick Township Middlesex RT 1 and Henderson Road Woodbridge Township Middlesex RT 1 and Avenel Street Township of Gloucester Camden Blackwood-Clementon Road (Co. Rt. 534) and Cherry wood Drive Blackwood-Clementon Road & Blenheim/Erial/New Brooklyn Road (Co. Rt. 706) Blackwood-Clementon Road & Little Gloucester Road (Co. Rt. 759) Blackwood-Clementon Rd & Millbridge Rd Cherry Hill Township Camden RT 70 and Springdale Road Borough of Stratford Camden White Horse Rd (Co. Rt. 673) & Berlin Road (Co. Rt. 702) Deptford Township Gloucester RT 41 and Deptford Center Road Monroe Township Gloucester RT 42 and RT US 322/Co. Rt. 536 Spur RT US 322 and Co. Rt. 612 Glassboro Borough Gloucester RT 47 and Dalton Drive Stafford Township Ocean RT US 9 and Cedar Bridge Road/Hilliard Boulevard RT 72 and Nautilus Drive RT 72 And Stafford Park Boulevard RT US 9 and Bay Avenue Brick Township Ocean RT 70 and Cedar Bridge Avenue RT 70 & Chambers Bridge Rd (Co. Rt. 549) (photo enforcement live) Chambers Bridge Road & Brick Blvd. (photo enforcement live)
Janice B. May 18, 2012 at 11:46 pm
Senator Michael Doherty (R-23), the sponsor of legislation that would result in the elimination of red light camera ticketing systems in New Jersey, has launched an online petition in support of the effort. The petition can be signed by visiting http://www.senatenj.com/cameras.
Gary F. June 11, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Janice - I received one of these tickets in Piscataway the other day. Are you saying that according the Signal Timing Certiciation paragraph that you mentioned above, in additional to bringing the document you posted a link for, all I would need to do to get out of this ticket is prove that the length of the amber signal for the light I "ran" is under 3 seconds? Is that enough, or do I need to prove that it was not certified by the municipal engineer?
Thanks!
Janice B. June 12, 2012 at 02:02 am
Gary, You can get the information that you need that I posted at:
http://www.nj.com/hudson/voices/index.ssf/2012/04/letter_heres_flaw_in_red_light/5664/comments-2.html The site you are reading this message on now will not let me post all the info you need so go to the above web page. I hope this helps you. If you can figure out how to privately email me I will try to help you if you need more information. Good Luck. The prosecutor that held my case said she wished that attorneys would do what I did with obtaining this information for their clients.
Brian Ceccarelli June 12, 2012 at 02:27 am
Gary, Janice . . . On a 45 mph road, the yellow light duration by the laws of physics must be 7 seconds. The NJ standard, as well as the entire federal standard is arbitrary and caprcious. The federal standard never gives enough for drivers to decelerate before entering an intersection and forces all drivers to always gamble between stop and go. Call your NJ assemblyman Declan O'Scanion. He knows about this. Here in North Carolina, we are class action suing the Town of Cary for "enacting legislation which countermands the laws of nature." It is illegal for Cary to enact a law forbidding gravity, or in the case of yellow light druations, forbidding drivers to obey the unbreakable equation of motion a = dv/dt.
Janice B. June 12, 2012 at 03:15 am
Brian, You are absolutely correct about the laws of physics. Declan O'Scanlon has every piece of my personal information I had obtained from Edison and NJDOT that I obtained from research and using Opra requests for the information in order to win/have my ticket dismissed in Edison NJ Township Court. I was working with him through another party. The way the New Jersey RLC law is written it says the yellow portion of the light should be based on the 85th percentile of free flowing traffic on that roadway. In Edison they did not do the 85th percentile study in their application to the State to get the cameras on the portion of the road the RLC lights are on thus they did not adjust the yellow accordingly. When I spoke to Dave Martin at NJDOT he said he can not change the timing of the yellow portion of the traffic lights at the RLC intersections as it would then not conform to the standards being used for the other traffic lights in the State. Florida has had problems with their camera law and had numerous class action lawsuits and the people won. We need a class action lawsuit attorney willing to take the time to help the people of the State of New Jersey. I wish someone would get in touch with me regarding such a lawsuit and I can provide them with all the info I have and help them further if they need. I hope you read my link I posted above.
Brian Ceccarelli June 12, 2012 at 01:12 pm
Janice, I read your link. I have had a chat with Declan about the approach speed problem. NC also has this problem. But believe it or not, the approach speed problem is nothing compared to the other problems in the FEDERAL standards that set yellow light durations. Please look at my link, http://redlightrobber.com/red/links_pdf/Misapplied-Physics-Red-Light-Cameras.pdf
There is a section in this paper about approach speeds as well. Declan has this paper.

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